The Legal Burnouts
Join former nonprofit attorney Kate Bridal, former paralegal Josey Hoff, and former BigLaw attorney Rhia Batchelder as they get real about all the stuff that leads to burnout in the legal industry and beyond. Through honest, good-humored conversations with each other and their guests, Kate, Josey, and Rhia offer solutions, laugh to keep from crying, and normalize the conversation around burnout.
If you're interested in booking Rhia and/or Kate to speak at your company, firm, or conference, send an email to kate@thelegalburnouts.com.
The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice. All information provided on this podcast is for general informational purposes only.
Episodes
29 episodes
Episode 19. Goodbye (For Now)
This will be our final episode (for now).Between busy schedules and Kate moving in a different career direction, she and Rhia made the difficult decision to let the podcast go. They discuss the decision in detail in the episode, but it w...
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Season 2
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Episode 15
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1:20:59
Episode 28. Pivots and Recovery With Reshma Saujani, Founder of Girls Who Code and Moms First
We’re ending Season 2 with a bang!In this episode, Kate and Rhia are joined by Reshma Saujani, leading activist and the founder of Girls Who Code and Moms First, formerly Marshall Plan for Moms. Reshma has spent more than a d...
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Season 2
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Episode 14
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30:26
Episode 27. Farewell Josey and Career Clarity
It’s Josey’s last episode as co-host of The Legal Burnouts, so Kate and Rhia bid her a fond farewell and learn more about why she’s leaving and her next steps.Josey opens up about her current burnout, which stems mainly from physical inj...
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Season 2
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Episode 13
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59:21
Episode 26. Creating Your Own Spaces With Faridat Arogundade
This week, Kate and Rhia are joined by Rhia’s law school classmate Faridat Arogundade, a former Biglaw attorney who has created her own high-quality, plus-sized fashion line, Ìfẹ́mi. Faridat honestly and insightfully disc...
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Season 2
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Episode 12
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1:15:22
Episode 26. Changing Lanes With Kyle Kelly
In Kate and Josey’s final guest interview together, they talk with the man who inspired them to start The Legal Burnouts, Kyle Kelly. Kyle, a former digital forensics professional, worked at tiny companies like Salesforce and Coinbase before de...
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Season 2
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Episode 11
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42:40
Episode 25. Pregnancy, Parenting, and Entrepreneurship With Megan Senese
This week, Rhia and Kate speak to Megan Senese, cofounder of Stage, a women-owned legal marketing and business development firm that offers- among many other services- a free program to support working parents before and after parental leave.&n...
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Season 2
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Episode 10
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54:22
Episode 23. Infertility with Emily Petrich
Content warning: This episode contains discussions of infertility and miscarriage. In honor of National Infertility Awareness Week, Kate and Rhia are joined by fertility activist (and aspiring cyborg) Emily Petrich, who went ...
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Season 2
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Episode 9
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37:20
Episode 22. Crossover Episode With The Newfangled Lawyer
This week, in a very special episode, The Newfangled Lawyer (Patrick Patino) crosses over with The Legal Burnouts (Kate Bridal and Rhia Batchelder) to talk baked potatoes, burnout, and how to make the law a kinder profession. Patric...
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Season 2
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Episode 8
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1:02:32
Episode 21. The Enneagram With Enneagram Ashton
Josey and Kate’s dreams come true when they get to nerd out over the Enneagram with none other than Enneagram Ashton!Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober is a community psychologist, certified Enneagram educator, author, and Enneagram Type 2. She walks...
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Season 2
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Episode 7
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41:26
Episode 20. Triggers and Glimmers With Paula Liub
Kate and Rhia are joined by Paula Liub, an anti-burnout coach specifically for neurodivergent and highly sensitive women. Paula talks about grappling with burnout as a neurodivergent woman, her struggle to get a diagnosis, and how s...
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Season 2
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Episode 6
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48:16
Episode 19. Nonlegal Lawyers With ex judicata
Kate and Rhia chat with Neil Handwerker and Kimberly Fine, founders of ex judicata, the only employment site specifically designed to help lawyers find nonlegal jobs. Lawyers are told that their law degrees will open all sorts of doors for them...
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Season 2
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Episode 5
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36:22
Episode 18. DEI Layoffs and That Alabama IVF Decision
This episode was originally supposed to be a discussion of recent DEI team layoffs, then a lighthearted career clarity session between Rhia and Kate. But when recording happened… that wasn’t the vibe.Instead of the career clarity portion...
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Season 2
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Episode 4
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36:41
Episode 17. Unlearning Toxic Perfectionism With Coach Jordana Confino
This week, Kate and Rhia are joined by Career Coach and recovering perfectionist, Jordana Confino. Jordana shares her high achiever origin story, from chasing achievement in high school, to law school at Yale, to a series of career choices that...
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Season 2
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Episode 3
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55:29
Episode 16. Trans Rights, Elections, and Job Hunts, Oh My! With Vanessa Joy
This episode contains references to genocide, violence, and self-harm. Listener discretion is advised. On their first guest episode together, Kate and Rhia interview Vanessa Joy, champion of equality and communication, Host/Ex...
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Season 2
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Episode 2
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42:11
Episode 15. Welcome Back, Barbie!
We’re baaaaack! In the Season 2 premiere Kate, Josey, and new cohost Rhia Batchelder nerd out about crosswords, logic games, and puzzles. Then they dive into that Jo Koy comment at the Golden Globes, Barbie’s Oscar snubs, and how those events r...
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Season 2
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Episode 1
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45:29
Episode 14. Bonus Episode: Kate and Josey Play the Newlywed Game
We know we said we were done, but we couldn’t end a season with 13 episodes. It’s too spooky. So in honor of Halloween, Kate and Josey got together in Seattle for a special bonus episode.Dressed as best friends Keeley...
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Season 1
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Episode 14
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30:26
Episode 13. Season 1 Wrap Up With Josey and Kate
In the final episode of the first season, Kate and Josey take a deeper dive into their most recent, shared burnout experience, including how constant change is a recipe for quick and severe burnout, and how hopping to something "easier" from th...
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Season 1
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Episode 13
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50:21
Episode 12. Unspoken Rules With Chloe Diaz
WARNING: This episode contains discussions of, and references to, sexual assault and abortion. Listener discretion is advised.On our final guest episode of the season, we’re joined by Chloe Diaz, who gets real about all the unspok...
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Season 1
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Episode 12
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41:56
Episode 11. The Episode That Almost Wasn't With Henry Nelson-Case
This week, Henry Nelson-Case, aka That Corporate Lawyer, discusses his burnout experience on what he calls “the most unhinged podcast I’ve been on.”This episode set the record for longest recording time of any yet at over 2 ½ hour...
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Season 1
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Episode 11
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42:08
Episode 10. Being Kind to Yourself With Anti-Burnout Coach Rhia Batchelder
In the most universally applicable episode yet, anti-burnout coach and former Biglaw attorney Rhia Batchelder joins Kate and Josey to talk about her journey from working in New York firms to building her own business. Rhia gives a ton of action...
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Season 1
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Episode 10
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54:10
Episode 9. Law School Burnout With Rilee Harrison
Rilee Harrison, lead attorney and head of marketing at Cain Law, sits down with Josey and Kate to share how he burned out during his first semester of law school. He also discusses how that experience with burnout affected his ability to pass t...
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Season 1
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Episode 9
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36:31
Episode 8. Boundaries With Kyle Robisch and Marissa Khetan
Kyle Robisch, partner at Bradley Arant Boult Cummings, and Marissa Khetan, portfolio manager at Equal Justice Works, join Kate and Josey to talk all things boundaries. (Fun fact: Marissa and Kate also used to work together as attor...
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Season 1
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Episode 8
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53:20
Episode 7. Overcome Burnout by Overcoming Your Ego With Bob Simon
Trial attorney, entrepreneur, and podcast host Robert Simon sits down with Kate and Josey to talk about how letting go of his ego allowed him to overcome burnout and continue practicing law. Bob discusses the importance of delegation, intention...
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Season 1
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Episode 7
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39:53
Episode 6. Management Methods with Ashley Herd
Good management is key to preventing burnout in the legal field, but most people aren't trained to be managers. Many attorneys who manage others are already overwhelmed by demanding clients and workloads, making learning proper management the f...
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Season 1
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Episode 6
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47:57
Episode 5. 31 Flavors of Burnout With Matt Margolis
Matt Margolis, famed TikToker and Head of Community and Legal at Lawtrades, joins Josey and Kate to discuss how burnout followed him through his career in firms, government, and in-house, until he learned to control the external and internal fa...
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Season 1
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Episode 5
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39:12